AelKennyr Rhiano
Rhûn Darkmoon (zu.dragoone)
Sil Varnea (lamilliara) Maybe she was using the identity of “Almara” this evening, but I am not positive.
Belenos (belenosstormchaser.magic)
Lihan Taifun
Shawn Daysleeper
Summary:
It would be theoretically possible to do a large-group roleplay entirely by passing notecards back and forth, rather than real-time – for example, if there were serious time-zone issues.
In Fellowship of the Fourth Age, we have sometimes done complex large group scenes (for example: Olwë's healing ritual, and the Balrog attack on Alqualondë) partially by notecard, by having individual players pre-write segments, or small groups of players roleplay in advance certain parts of the scene. It requires a large amount of planning and organization. In both those examples, it allowed a very large, complex scene to be played efficiently and smoothly in one sitting, as only parts of the scene had to be played real-time by the entire group. It does require there be at least an outline of what will happen in the scene, and it does limit spontaneity; it would not work in totally free-form roleplay. This prewriting was very helpful when one player had two or more characters in the scene. The prewritten notecards are limiting in that they require deciding in advance which characters are interacting at that given moment.
It is not practical or realistic for a character to respond to everything that is going on in a large group. In real life, people don't and can't listen to every conversation in a large room, nor notice everything that happens in a crowd.
In a fast-paced style of group roleplay, “body language” may be reduced to one or two words. * grins *
When one player is eager to move the plot along quickly, there is a danger that not all other players will have time to respond to events. This sometimes happened when not enough time has been scheduled for a roleplay session. Scheduling plenty of time allows everyone to have time to post, usually results in higher quality writing, and allows time to resolve any problems that occur in the course of the session.
The focus of the individual players will have a strong influence on the dynamics of the group. A group where each player is focused on the group and the quality of roleplay will be quite different from a group where each player has their own agenda.
We did an exercise where each player was given their own agenda: one moving the plot forward quickly, one concerned only with his own character, one doing long paragraph posts, one typing quickly and carelessly, one godmodding and metagaming, and one responding to every other player. The scene quickly degenerated into a chaotic brawl.
We repeated the same sample scenerio, using our own normal good roleplay habits, and specifically posting in round-robin rotation. The roleplay stayed on track, much more was accomplished, and the dialog was more interesting. The round-robin style did discourage back-and-forth banter between pairs of players (which might be a good or a bad effect). There is a strong tendency to respond to the player who posts immediately before you. It would be possible for a pair of players to respond only to each other, but that would require a lot of concentration.
Fourth Age does not typically use the formal round-robin style. We do a lot of ((out of character)) communication, such as asking whether anyone else has something to add before the action moves ahead.
AelKennyr Rhiano: Well. let's get started?
Rhûn Darkmoon smiles, 'Yes please.'
AelKennyr Rhiano: :)
Sil Varnea: What was the topic for today?
AelKennyr Rhiano: ok...the topic is rping within a group in rt. Actually, I should say that was the focus...doing it in realtime.
Belenos: as opposed to?
AelKennyr Rhiano: If we were all rping as a group, with different time zones, and were using notecards... snap!
Lihan Taifun: ewww, that might be even harder!
Rhûn Darkmoon grins
AelKennyr Rhiano: That could work, but you can imagine some of the difficulties. oh, yes...
Belenos: so best to stick to what we will actually be doing.. :)
AelKennyr Rhiano: Shawn, you and Carleen...didn't you two rp that way before?
Shawn Daysleeper: We did not make it to that point. we never got around to doing that
AelKennyr Rhiano: oh ok, Well, if you think about it, those of us in the room rping in the 4th Age done group rp by notecard... It was not the entire rp done entirely by notecard,however. Remember when the balrog and the dragon attacked?
Belenos: do you mean when we pre-wrote scenes for the attack?
AelKennyr Rhiano: yep
Belenos: lol.. snap again
Rhûn Darkmoon nods, 'I remember that being planned at the time.'
AelKennyr Rhiano nods. So..in a way, it can be handy and it can work...but man, it does take coordination.
Belenos nods nods nods
AelKennyr Rhiano: And it does take alot of spontaneity out of it.
Belenos: I remember that well.. it took a lot of work
Lihan Taifun: and in a way, we wern't all reacting to each other all the time
AelKennyr Rhiano: And while on one hand it would be harder, as Lihan pointed out, on the other, doing some of the rp that way, made the realtime rp go smoother.
Belenos: it did. for the size of the scene it took surprisingly little time
Sil Varnea: To give me a point of reference since I've never RP'd through notecards before... is it similar to RPing through a forums?
Shawn Daysleeper: ya prewriting some of the scenes that involve one or two characters helped move along the group rp that involved more characters
Lihan Taifun: it could be similar, Almara. what Shawn and Carleen were planning would have been that style
Belenos: i've never rp'd via forums, so I'm sorry I can't say
Rhûn Darkmoon shakes his head, 'Me either.'
Lihan Taifun: that is where I first learned
Sil Varnea: I imagined it would be, but don't let me derail the topic.
Lihan Taifun: during the balrog attack, however, some people (especially those who had two characters in the scene) pre-wrote some of their responses
AelKennyr Rhiano: no, no, this is a discussion. Questions are welcomed. :)
Rhûn Darkmoon nods, 'Or else how are you to be sure what we are talking about. Questions are always good for clarifying things that may confuse.'
AelKennyr Rhiano: Now. there was something Lihan said that is a good discussion point...She mentioned that with using notecards that you cannot react to everyone. But in realtime, do you react to everyone in the group during the rp?
Belenos: I would think not?.. it's rather like RL isn't it?.. we respond to one, maybe two people at a time.. but never the whole group
AelKennyr Rhiano nods
Rhûn Darkmoon: 'We might respond to what the group is doing, like running away from the dragon, but we'd rarely address remarks to each member of the group, would we?'
AelKennyr Rhiano: I know we talked a little about that last time too. I think, and please, Lihan, give me feedback, but what is really lacking is the spontaneous choice of TO WHOM we would respond? Sorry for singling your remark out, but it was a very good one, I thought :P
Lihan Taifun: yes, that would be what is lacking
Sil Varnea: I imagine that somewhere there is a manic goblin or something that talks incredibly fast to respond to everything said. If anyone could do that I would be impressed.
AelKennyr Rhiano: And yes, I have met that manic goblin:P
Rhûn Darkmoon grins, 'Or six.'
Shawn Daysleeper: hehe
AelKennyr Rhiano: In the rp exercise we did last time, where it was a "free-for-all" of one liners, you had only seconds to decide to whom you would respond.
Lihan Taifun: and it could and did change, during the conversation
AelKennyr Rhiano: Sooo....while it being in real time left you free to choose with whom to interact...yes, exactly...the environment of real time also creates limitations.
Rhûn Darkmoon: 'And that is true to life, is it not? One can be speaking and something will catch one's attention, but we are limited as to just how many conversations and actions we can observe at once.'
AelKennyr Rhiano: Right
Belenos: so pros and cons of both forms of RP
AelKennyr Rhiano: Very little is more bothersome than a rper who constantly notices everything in a group rp.
Shawn Daysleeper: nods
Lihan Taifun: in real life, our body language doesn't usually slow down the conversation, whereas describing body language takes time to type
AelKennyr Rhiano: Oh, good point! Now, with a one-line rp style...the advantage is that most rpers don't even bother to emote body language, but rather uses a more telegraphic way of conveying things.
Belenos: which gets us back to what we were talking about recently about allowing time for others to respond and not typing over them
AelKennyr Rhiano: nodnodnod
Lihan Taifun: what did you mean, "telegraphic"?
AelKennyr Rhiano: Often, in a fast paced rp using such short delivery, you will get *smiles* *grins* *shows teeth* one word that has to stand in for several
*looks at Rhun* You have a spot on your shirt *laughs*
Sil Varnea: I had an RP leader a few years ago who would always type short posts that would try to move the story forward faster and I'd have to constantly retype my post because I'd have to respond to different things that were being done.Rhûn Darkmoon grins, 'I see your point.'
AelKennyr Rhiano: Yes, that is something I think most of us have experienced. Too often, they do it without thought to the others of the group.
Belenos: or to the quality of the scene
Sil Varnea: It was understandable sine he had a tight schedule and a lot to do, but still quite frustrating at times and not condusive to quality RP.
Belenos: Exactly, Sil
AelKennyr Rhiano nods. So there is a trade-off there, too.
Lihan Taifun: it would be hard to do quality RP in a large group on a tight time schedule
Belenos: i think that actually touches on a point we encountered recently.. to allow sufficient time for the RP scene
AelKennyr Rhiano: It would be...but it can be done. But the whole group has to be focused.
Rhûn Darkmoon: 'Rushing the RP doesn't allow for the possiblity of a problem arising either. Sometimes it takes time to discuss and resolve an issue with a post.'
AelKennyr Rhiano: For example, take the time we did the ritual rp. It was a HUGE rp...yet...we broke down into part that were prewritten, parts that were written afterward, and what was rping that night.
I agree, Rhun.
But, the trend among the majority of rpers seems to be RP, RP now, and we don't need no stinking story :P
Rhûn Darkmoon nods sadly, 'Alas you are right. We don't need no stinking story and we don't care of we RP ourselves into a corner because we'll just godmod ourselves out of it.'
Shawn Daysleeper: :(
Lihan Taifun giggles a bit at that plan
Rhûn Darkmoon grins back
AelKennyr Rhiano: I mention this because to know where the focus is of your other rpers helps you to know the focus of your group. If you have people with that goal...the rp first, then their approach will be different.
Belenos: so it really does need to be a group effort... rather than a lot of individuals with their own agenda
AelKennyr Rhiano: Precisely. And forgive me if I sound like was bashing anyone. I wasn't . It makes a big difference.
Want to do an exercise? :)
Belenos: uh oh
Shawn Daysleeper: hehe
Belenos: what is the exercise? Belenos looks at you suspiciously
AelKennyr Rhiano: ok...let's do a group rp
Rhûn Darkmoon grins
AelKennyr Rhiano: Hey, you had fun last time
Lihan Taifun: you did
AelKennyr Rhiano: ok...hmmmmm....
Belenos grins.. I did
Shawn Daysleeper: Manwe serves more beers lol
AelKennyr Rhiano: Sil, may I ask you to be the rper who only cares with moving the rp story along...
Sil Varnea: Maybe. Do I have to come up with a story or am I just meant to post really fast?
AelKennyr Rhiano: I will give us the plotline, but how you drive the story is at your discretion.
Sil Varnea: Fine with me.
AelKennyr Rhiano: Rhun...You are the rper who cares only about rping...Who needs the story anyway?
Rhûn Darkmoon: 'Oh my. Ok'
AelKennyr Rhiano: Belenos, you are the person who is used to long para posts.
Belenos: 'Oh gods, ok.' Belenos looks at Rhun and Sil and knows she won't get a word in edgewise and grins'
Lihan Taifun: sure you will, Bel, but it will be 15 minutes late in the action
Sil Varnea: Don't worry, it won't be that bad.
Belenos grins, 'I wasn't worried about you so much, Sil, as this rogue next to me.'
AelKennyr Rhiano: Lihan, you are the rper who has to respond to everyone
Lihan Taifun: uh huh, ok
AelKennyr Rhiano: Shawn, is the rper who godmods and metagames
Shawn Daysleeper: wow lol
Sil Varnea: Is this still a fireside discussion or a clinic for the RP insane?
AelKennyr Rhiano grins evilly
Rhûn Darkmoon: 'OMG,'.. grins at Shawn
AelKennyr Rhiano: lol
Shawn Daysleeper: I'll try hehe
Lihan Taifun: I want to see whether Shawn even knows how to godmod
Belenos nods nods nods.. me too
AelKennyr Rhiano: ok...the story... We are all thieves meeting in our lair, planning how to steal the Queen's gold tomorrow, as it passes through the town on its way to the docks to be loaded onto the royal ships bound for the treasury.
oh...I will be the rper who types fast and is careless, never looking at what I write before I post :)
Sil Varnea snickers.
Lihan Taifun: with a sticky W key
Belenos: you know, you are going to break our brains making us do this....lol
AelKennyr Rhiano: lol!
Lihan Taifun: he is
AelKennyr Rhiano: Let's let Sil start?
Sil Varnea: We all know who to blame when it happens then!
AelKennyr Rhiano: Rhun! roflmao
Rhûn Darkmoon: 'Hey!'
AelKennyr Rhiano: *grins*
Rhûn Darkmoon: 'You are going to get a poke for that later!'
Belenos: and well deserved to!... :P and yes.. Sil starts?
Rhûn Darkmoon smiles, 'Please.'
Sil Varnea brings out a large map and points to specific spots. "The queen's storage is here, and we will be coming in through here at the kitcen here and make our wa to the storage here."
{Belenos crashes}
Lihan Taifun: Betsy leans over the table to look at the map
Shawn Daysleeper: Oh that is just silly, my plan is the only plan, just attack them here
Rhûn Darkmoon: The rogue growls, 'Why do we have to do it that way? I say make a bold strike!'
AelKennyr Rhiano: heyyy wzaat do I do?
Rhûn Darkmoon: 'I've always been at my best in a straight up fight. Damn this sneaking around rubbish.'
Rhûn Darkmoon: ((oops, lost Belenos))AelKennyr Rhiano: *llokes* sebce whan?
AelKennyr Rhiano: ((she crashed :())Rhûn Darkmoon snarls at Ael, 'Since long before you last found your way out of a bottle.'
Lihan Taifun: ((realistic! ))Sil Varnea: ((Taking her role to a new level.))
AelKennyr Rhiano: *humps** hear naw, u
Lihan Taifun: Betsy looks from one companion to the next, to the next. "Will you boys shut up a minute and listen?"
Shawn Daysleeper: takes the map and throws it on the floor. "I said we attack them this way and follow my plan."
Sil Varnea: "You can all die with your plans for all I care. If we don't strike soon our chance will be lost."
Rhûn Darkmoon clouts Ael across the ear, 'Don't you 'hear now' me, you sot. Who do you think you are talking to, huh?'... swaggers a little
AelKennyr Rhiano: *reaaches ober and pickes Sahwn's pocket*
Shawn Daysleeper: "Hey" he calls forth super lightning and strikes Ael dead.
Rhûn Darkmoon: (DIES!!)Lihan Taifun grabs the map off the floor, and glares at Rhun. "He's only our best swordsman!"
Sil Varnea: ((*dies of laughter*))AelKennyr Rhiano: *dies misspelling as he breathes his last*
Rhûn Darkmoon: "Ha! Who are you talking to, wench! Since when is HE the only good swordsman? I can take on six men at once, up front, just like that!'.. snaps his fingers
Lihan Taifun whacks Rhun over the head with the map. "Look what you did now! Are you going to clean up that mess?"
Rhûn Darkmoon: ((Oh gods, how am I to think when you do that!))Sil Varnea: "Are you all done arguing over twigs or are we going to go? The more time we waste here the more time we lose."
AelKennyr Rhiano: ((ROFLMAO))Lihan Taifun: "that's not a twig, that's a dead body!"
Shawn Daysleeper: "Hey there is only one way to do this. I know exactly where the gold is and just follow me."
Rhûn Darkmoon leans forward and picks up the wench and bundles her over his shoulder before delivering three sound whacks to her bottom and then setting her down on the table amidst the tankards, 'You be minding who you are striking there, woman!'
Shawn Daysleeper: "Or I will smite you"
AelKennyr Rhiano: ummm...ok....before we kill each other.Rhûn Darkmoon turns from the woman to Shawn, 'Oh you will, will you? You and whose army?'
AelKennyr Rhiano: well, more of usLihan Taifun kicks Rhun in the ribs, while shouting at Shawn ...
AelKennyr Rhiano: LOLShawn Daysleeper: poor Ael
Lihan Taifun: rofl ... that is too hard!
Rhûn Darkmoon grins and snorts with laughter, 'Omg, I can't believe I did all that!'
AelKennyr Rhiano: I know...omg... lol
Shawn Daysleeper: that was hard
Sil Varnea: Ow.... I laughed too hard. x.x
Rhûn Darkmoon nods nods nods
AelKennyr Rhiano: Exaggerated, I know, but when you look at the group dynamics...what did you find?
Rhûn Darkmoon: 'Laughing does not help when one is trying to RP badly.'
Lihan Taifun: Belenos, if she were here,might have gotten one post in?
Sil Varnea: I spent more time laughing than RPing.
Shawn Daysleeper: no one would want to read that rp
AelKennyr Rhiano: One post, if she were lucky
Rhûn Darkmoon: 'And how relevent would it have been with how fast the scene moved?'
Lihan Taifun: it might have been the one post of saying "hello"
AelKennyr Rhiano: right. Now, I would like to redo the scene, with a few modifications. same plot, but now we are ourselves, good rpers.
Rhûn Darkmoon listens with interest
AelKennyr Rhiano: And I would like to do the rp in a "round robin" style. This is quite common approach in a group rp. This time I will ask Lihan to start us off, and we will move in a clockwise fashion. This does not limit, btw, who you choose to respond to. It just sets the order of who responds when.
Lihan Taifun: Betsy flounces into the den, only a few minutes late, and sees that everyone else is already here. "Hey, guys," she pouts, "what's the plan?"
AelKennyr Rhiano: ((not pushing...just pointing out Sil would be next, then Rhun, etc.))Sil Varnea Keanna looks over at Betsy from her spot, sitting on a wooden chair on the edge of the room. "We've not discussed it yet." She waves her arm, gesturing the woman in. "Shall we begin, then" Her eyes move to the others questioningly.
Rhûn Darkmoon: 'Oh what is there to discuss? I say we just attack, up front, in a good clean fight. I want some action and I want it now!'
AelKennyr Rhiano glances up as the woman enters the room, marking her entrance. "As if you are going to do any of the heavy work." His eyes flick over, briefly, to the Rogue. "And you, pup? Go ahead! The last fool who had such an 'elaborate' plan wore his noose very tightly."
{Belenos returns. Greetings.}Rhûn Darkmoon: ((Hey, wasn't Ael supposed to be typing and not checking what he typed? ))
AelKennyr Rhiano: ((no? You are supposed to be yourself))
Shawn Daysleeper: looks around between Ael and the others "lets just calm down, a well laid plan is easier to act on than a rushed one. I'd rather have some cash than have a noose."
Rhûn Darkmoon: (('Ohhhh.. *penny drops*))AelKennyr Rhiano: [20:02] You: Now, I would like to redo the scene, with a few modifications.
[20:02] You: same plot, but now we are ourselves, good rpers.
[20:03] Rhûn Darkmoon (zu.dragoone) listens with interest
[20:03] You: And I would like to do the rp in a "round robin" style.
[20:03] You: This is quite common approach in a group rp.
Rhûn Darkmoon: ((*blushes and grins sheepishly*.. 'Oops'))
Sil Varnea: ((Don't worry, I was hopeful he would do it again too...))
Lihan Taifun: Betsy grabs a mug of beer off the counter, before plopping into her chair. "Yeah, cash sounds a whole lot better than a noose. But why is this so hard? We know where the gold is, don't we? Can't we just sneak in an get it now? Um, we do know, don't we?"
AelKennyr Rhiano: ((it is ok :) ))Shawn Daysleeper: (oops? )
AelKennyr Rhiano: ((hahaha))
Sil Varnea Keanna shakes her head softly. "No, I imagine the bigger problem is how the group of us will go by unnoticed without drawing attention from any guards or patrols. We're a small group so it will be easy on the outside, but inside it will be harder to stay unnoticed if we stay together."
Rhûn Darkmoon smiles insolently and leans against the wall, his ankles crossed, 'I vote that Ael creates a diversion, so the rest of us can do the serious work, unnoticed.'
AelKennyr Rhiano looks up at Rhun and sneers, "Be happy, to, Boy. Then you can see a real professional at work." He leans back in his chair, a wild gleam in his eyes.
Belenos: ((*giggles like mad*))Sil Varnea: ((Was Belenos not going to join us in this?))
AelKennyr Rhiano: ((OOPS!))
Belenos: ((no, I'm out of it.. missed the first round and now am giggling too much to type))
AelKennyr Rhiano: ((smacks h((Let's stop after Shawn's post, please.))
Shawn Daysleeper: laughs at Ael's claims "Of course, you can go first on this venture. I'll cover your escape route if your actions are not up to your boasts" he laughs again.
AelKennyr Rhiano: ((oops again)) Great! So...first...you notice how much smoother the rp went?Shawn Daysleeper: yes, it was much easier to follow
Lihan Taifun: nobody's dead
{Ael goes afk for a bit.}
Lihan Taifun: and here I had plans for what my character was going to say next -- which I guess is a good sign that we had a story going
Sil Varnea: Well, we were developing a plan, unlike the other attempt where it was all, "I wanna do things my way, nyah!"
Belenos: it was harder for one person to derail or take control of it all too
Lihan Taifun: everyone got to contribute
Rhûn Darkmoon nods, 'And as you said, harder for there to be bloodshed because others intervened.'
Shawn Daysleeper: yes
Lihan Taifun: and less bloodshed because we were focusing on the story
Sil Varnea: I laughed a little too much when Shawn used his force lightning. Should have gotten a darkside point for it at the very least.
Belenos nods... yes instant back and forth snarling wasn't able to happen
Shawn Daysleeper: hehe
Rhûn Darkmoon: 'So again, there was better control over the scene even though some may have wanted to derail it.'
{Shawn needs to leave. Farewells.}
AelKennyr Rhiano: ok...so...let's stop here for tonight.. Do we need one more discussion on this, or move onto something else?
Belenos: I think we've covered it mostly?
Lihan Taifun: I think so
Sil Varnea: I wasn't here for the last one so I don't know if this was discussed, but I have to admit that the Round Robin style does limit interactions a bit.
AelKennyr Rhiano: I wanted to remark that with round robin, the tendency is to respond to the person who spoke ahead of you.
Belenos: it's not a style we use normally, Sil
AelKennyr Rhiano: oh, no, it is not. Normally, we do try to be aware and let everyone have their say.
Belenos: when we did the attack we did a lot of communicating..
AelKennyr Rhiano: nod nodnod
Belenos: I remember a few times lihan and I did the '(does anyone else want to respond before we post next')) thing
AelKennyr Rhiano: Do you all have any suggestions for discussion next week?
Sil Varnea: I would suggest that if there is something that if there is an action like what happened between Rhun and Ael earlier... Where Rhun taunted Ael and he retorted, then the turn order could be skipped ahead and then continue on with the person who normally would have responded next.
Belenos: but then it prevents someone else from stepping in.. so again, communication is the thing... asking if others want to respond before you do
Sil Varnea: Then I suppose an OOC request to step ahead would suffice.
Rhûn Darkmoon nods, 'That is what the (( )) is about.'
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AelKennyr Rhiano: But an OOC requrest to whom? Everyone in the group? And once you go out of order, you could cause problems. Look at how I skipped Belenos because I was used to going after Rhun.
Belenos tries to pout at being skipped and fails
AelKennyr Rhiano: :P
Sil Varnea: I'd imagine that after you took your turn it would go back to Belenos and then to Shawn after her.
Belenos: but yes... in a group it IS a group RP, and so action between two players really shouldn't take it over
Lihan Taifun: it would take a lot of concentration to carry on a conversation between two people, during a round robin, but you could do it
AelKennyr Rhiano: When a group is concentrating on rp like we were, the smallest thing can throw us off our game sometimes.
AelKennyr Rhiano: oh yes, you could. And remember something, too... the more times you rp with a group of people, the more effective your communication should get.
Sil Varnea: Small things are the bane of many people. Especially if they are shiny.
AelKennyr Rhiano: The more at ease you become, the more you know the other's style and preferences. :)
Belenos: so the more you rp together the smoother it becomes
AelKennyr Rhiano: So...ideas for next week?
Sil Varnea: Battles in RP?
AelKennyr Rhiano: any particular area of that topic? A few months back, we talked about combat, quite a bit. It is in our archives. :)
Belenos nods nods nods.. it is
AelKennyr Rhiano: But you may be thinking of something we have not covered.
Sil Varnea: Well, the different ways to go about it. I've found three ways to do it myself. Dice, etc. Or just how to handle a fight against something like the Balrog that has been mentioned quite a bit.
AelKennyr Rhiano: What about the rest of you ?
Sil Varnea: Or multiple fights all at once.
Belenos squirms a little... well.. as Ael said, it was just done recently...and I'd find redoing it so soon rather repetitive... *blushes*
Rhûn Darkmoon: 'Have you read the role play of the attack on Alqualonde, Sil?'
Sil Varnea: I haven't. I'm distracted with a lot of things. I don't even come onto SL anymore other than for this.
AelKennyr Rhiano: wow... so you are not rping in SL?
Sil Varnea: Nope. I have been doing an online table-top-esque RP with some friends.
Belenos: gods.. i did that in high school... lol
AelKennyr Rhiano: We could talk about going up against Bigger foes. if you all wanted to. how to make that more realistic?
Lihan Taifun: Bigger Foes ... yes, that would be relevant
Rhûn Darkmoon: 'I think foes would be good. BIgger and how to guage who is stronger? And yes, how to make it realistic.'
Sil Varnea: I like the idea of how to make them more realistic.
AelKennyr Rhiano: ok done :)
Belenos: now considering Suraumo, yes, that would be a good topic
Lihan Taifun: and how to handle uneven matches of strength, and still have fun
AelKennyr Rhiano: ok...well, thank you, everyone. I hope this helps.