Present:
AelKennyr Rhiano
Fifi Wickentower
Shawn Daysleeper
Lihan Taifun
Summary:
Olwë's Ritual went well. Some people didn't come to Alqualondë because they didn't want to part with their special-effects HUDs. But without HUDs, the roleplay was quite enjoyable, with people reacting to events, rather than spending all their time showing off their toys. The pace was good, with events moving along, but everyone had time to speak their reactions. We got through a long and complicated ritual in one hour, thanks to careful pre-planning.
Part of the good role-playing was because, with strict script limitations, people had to think about which clothes, animations, and effects were most important for their character.
Using Linfëa as an example, we notices how Fifi describes her, with specific characteristics, definite personality traits, motivations and opinions, and a personal history. “When you know your character THAT well, are THAT certain of what she will or won't do...you will always play her in character.”
We notice that we portray the Ainur as younger-looking than some people have.
AelKennyr Rhiano: Well, anyway....how does everyone feel Post Ritual?
Shawn Daysleeper: I feel great :)
AelKennyr Rhiano: What made the ritual a success in your opinion? Rather...what went well about it?
Lihan Taifun: I'm glad we found a way to make it fit with the Tolkien universe
AelKennyr Rhiano nods. What else?
Fifi Wickentower: because of the planning the execution was smooth
AelKennyr Rhiano nods. and Whew! :P
Fifi Wickentower: and lag free :DD
AelKennyr Rhiano: yay!
Shawn Daysleeper: It is amazing we all managed to agree on the ritual process and the content included
AelKennyr Rhiano: True, Shawn.
Lihan Taifun: yes, by the end, the content was decided amazingly quickly
Fifi Wickentower: yes shawn. thought there would be a few more ppl observing tho
Lihan Taifun: true, I expected more observers, too
AelKennyr Rhiano: Well, Fifi, some people "objected" to the requirements to attend the rp.
Fifi Wickentower: oh? surely not 'our ppl'
AelKennyr Rhiano: No, not one of ours
Fifi Wickentower: they couldn't wear all the stuffs?
AelKennyr Rhiano: But I did have to im a resident and ask him to take off all his huds.
Lihan Taifun: the "low lag" requirements. or the "stick to the agenda" requirements?
AelKennyr Rhiano: yes :PPP
Fifi Wickentower: XD !LOL! ‚òÖ . . prolly both
AelKennyr Rhiano: More the low lag requirements.
Shawn Daysleeper: ya the sim handled the ritual so well :)
Fifi Wickentower: i have talked to ppl who are either afraid to go to arador now or refuse to modify their things at all
AelKennyr Rhiano: Some people were so convinced that the sim could not handle 20, they were not even going to try.
Fifi Wickentower: no comment whisper in my ear who???? Fifi Wickentower giggles
AelKennyr Rhiano: Although we have had 20 on this sim SEVERAL times with no restrictions whatsoever.
Fifi Wickentower: we had a ball! with gowns and jewels and dancing
Lihan Taifun: If you can't roleplay without all your gadgets, you don't know how to roleplay
Shawn Daysleeper: ya, agreed Lihan. I find all the HUDs and such distracting
AelKennyr Rhiano: I am glad you said that , Lihan. Because the ritual did point out the topic of tonight's discussion Did any of you notice some I did on Friday night?
Fifi Wickentower: you took your ears off?
AelKennyr Rhiano: When people did not have their rp huds and toys to rely upon...some of them actually emoted some. They actually responded to the rp instead of dazzle us with their spells or their huds
Lihan Taifun: I noticed some did more "thinking"
Fifi Wickentower: since i know nothing of huds . . i don't know the lazy mans way
AelKennyr Rhiano: Dominque used a hud
Fifi Wickentower: for her prayer ani's?
AelKennyr Rhiano: that was how she was able to bless the ritual for example, yes
Shawn Daysleeper: yes
AelKennyr Rhiano: Everyone seemed to think more of those who commented.
Lihan Taifun: it wasn't Dom's job, there, to be "reacting", it was her job to be leading
AelKennyr Rhiano: Those of you who have rp in Sylvahara...was there a difference in the pace of the rp? Did it seem more natural or relaxed?
Shawn Daysleeper: I think the ritual was more organized and easier to rp. I was very confused in Sylvhara and did not know when I could say anything without disrupting the rp
AelKennyr Rhiano: We had 11 people rping, and every one of the 11 spoke up at least ONCE in the rp. No one talked over another.
Fifi Wickentower: yes
AelKennyr Rhiano: The rp was not at breakneck speed.
Fifi Wickentower: even linfea got a small word in
AelKennyr Rhiano: More than once she had a presence.
Fifi Wickentower: but it didn't go on and on
AelKennyr Rhiano: yes
Fifi Wickentower: the rp in general . . i was a bit surprised at how fast it did go, around an hour
AelKennyr Rhiano: The rp was quite sophisticated.....me, too, actually.
Lihan Taifun: I was worried the scripted parts might be going too fast, but I guess people did get their comments in
Fifi Wickentower: my thought at one point was 'is it too much all at once? or would some of the longer paragraphs be better split in 2
AelKennyr Rhiano: Not one person complained about the pace.
Fifi Wickentower: wow!!! that is something!
Shawn Daysleeper: ya it was a good pace, and a lot was said and done in the hour
AelKennyr Rhiano: yes!
Lihan Taifun: had everyone read it in advance?
AelKennyr Rhiano: nope
Shawn Daysleeper: because of good prep and organisation technique
Fifi Wickentower: i would have like a tad more 'energy' from comet in the way of an animation here and there
AelKennyr Rhiano: But everyone had access to it...so there was no excuse.
Shawn Daysleeper: nods
AelKennyr Rhiano: However...she emoted more than she usually does.
Fifi Wickentower: but i have to say the look on her face was suitably unhappy, at times she looked almost bilious which was perfect considering
AelKennyr Rhiano: I thought so, too. She did every well.
Shawn Daysleeper: ya, everyone did well
AelKennyr Rhiano: And she added touches which further defined her relationship to Olwe.
Fifi Wickentower: so this was quite the departure? from their usual ways?
AelKennyr Rhiano: OMG, yes
Lihan Taifun: what made the difference?
Fifi Wickentower: i know nothing you know :) i have never had anything to do with that sim. well . . good show then . .
AelKennyr Rhiano: That is a good question...what did make the difference?
Shawn Daysleeper: maybe she was livening up her character
AelKennyr Rhiano: For one thing...they had to decide what was essential to their character in the way of huds...clothes...special effects. yes, Shawn.
Fifi Wickentower: having to rely on their own creativity?
AelKennyr Rhiano: yes Thursday night Dominque came here and she picked and chose carefully the animations she would need.
Fifi Wickentower: she was masterful. she carried the rp
AelKennyr Rhiano: She rehearsed and thought about her character would do. She did carry her part very well. Shawn and Lihan rehearse their quick change. Chose where they would stand.
Fifi Wickentower: this is repertory at it's best
AelKennyr Rhiano: How they would walk down.
Shawn Daysleeper smiles
Fifi Wickentower: the special effects all were smooth. some how i missed the blood
AelKennyr Rhiano: Really? it was great
Fifi Wickentower: at the time . .yes. and i was right in there close up with the cam throughout. never saw it
Lihan Taifun: I fixed that on the blog .....
AelKennyr Rhiano: And someone was thoughtful enough to make it disappear when it needed to
Fifi Wickentower: did i get a pic? of it?
Lihan Taifun: no, but I fixed that
AelKennyr Rhiano: I did. I got 2 pictures of t
Fifi Wickentower: and when you said the blood is all gone . . i thought you were rp'ing it for fun
AelKennyr Rhiano: fixed what?
Lihan Taifun: the picture of Comet crying over Olwe's dead body didn't have any blood
AelKennyr Rhiano: oh! eep
Lihan Taifun: so I photoshopped it in
AelKennyr Rhiano: oops lol YAY, Lihan!
Fifi Wickentower: XD !LOL! ‚òÖ good then . . . . that's why i thought it wasn't my shot
Lihan Taifun: you edit notecards, I can edit the photos. "what should have happened"
AelKennyr Rhiano: And boy am I glad!
Fifi Wickentower: i'm the sneaky snapper as bel call me
Shawn Daysleeper: nice
Lihan Taifun: it is great having all Fifi's pictures to choose from
AelKennyr Rhiano: yes! and I need to post a thank you to all those who gave me photos
Fifi Wickentower: love to take them. shawn knows:)
Shawn Daysleeper: hehe
AelKennyr Rhiano: The ritual is a good example of how to take your rp character to the next level. Now that you have been through this rather big rp...and all that led up to it...how has your rp character changed? Part of making your rp character "be true to itself" is that over time the character will grow, change, be influenced by what has happened to it.
Lihan Taifun: Nienna does more comedy now
Shawn Daysleeper: ya and so does Irmo
AelKennyr Rhiano: She has learned humor ? OR does she know she can be funny yet?
Lihan Taifun: Nienna still doesn't know it is humor. I am learning that
AelKennyr Rhiano: Sometimes we learn and grow along with our character.
Shawn Daysleeper: yes I agree
AelKennyr Rhiano: Let's take Linfea... A wind of Manwe. What is she like, Fifi?
Fifi Wickentower: well . . . .she doesn't interact much with anyone except Manwe. she is capricious and aloof
AelKennyr Rhiano: Do the Children of Illuvatar interest her much?
Fifi Wickentower: she watches, tho. somewhat . .she is aware of olwe . .and that is why she felt compelled to tell manwe about the odd goings on
AelKennyr Rhiano: Soo...... AelKennyr Rhiano smiles at Fifi...She is not SO aloof, after all.
Fifi Wickentower: but as for regular interaction with the children? like elwing or euchir? not so much . .she is their in a pinch for a moment and then gone. she remembers olwe from the beginning times
AelKennyr Rhiano: She made a decision to deliver Dominque's case...and Elwing... nod nod nod And that was why she was there? She remembers him ?
Lihan Taifun: and she did come to the ritual, and not just as a detached observer
Fifi Wickentower: she isn't exactly a 'fond' type person . . . but she is curious . . very very curious when things are different than normal she will notice. it was a case of several odd occurances all happening around the same time
AelKennyr Rhiano: Now, I'll ask you all to stop and consider what we have learned of Linfea...
Fifi Wickentower: she might be petitioned . . dom is fairly good at getting her attention but not in the person to person way . yet
AelKennyr Rhiano: Given all that was said in these few minutes...what are some of the ways Fifi could develop Linfea further?
Fifi Wickentower: and she is also aware of nole . . she has played trickes on him over the centuries
AelKennyr Rhiano: How can Linfea "grow" as a rp character?
Fifi Wickentower: XD !LOL! ‚òÖ does she want to?
AelKennyr Rhiano: Go, fifi!
Shawn Daysleeper: ya hehe
AelKennyr Rhiano: I was hoping you would say that!
Shawn Daysleeper: play more tricks on Nole
Lihan Taifun: she thinks she is detached and aloof from the elves, but she notices them, and she helps out when she is really needed
AelKennyr Rhiano: yes, she does, Lihan.
Fifi Wickentower: one would think that there would have to be something much greater than olwe's trial to get her to personally get involved
AelKennyr Rhiano: I don't
Fifi Wickentower: she spends so much time at sea . . things on land aren't always of interest to her
Lihan Taifun: she doesn't have much of an attention span :) but she has already gotten involved several times
Fifi Wickentower: well . .the elven maid fell on her
AelKennyr Rhiano: For an Ainu...a Wind of Manwe to be there...one known to be "out to sea"
Fifi Wickentower: and the cleric littered
Shawn Daysleeper: lol
Fifi Wickentower giggles
AelKennyr Rhiano: But you said it yourself...she remembered Olwe from the early days. Here is the point, too...Fifi, to her credit...
Fifi Wickentower: she doesn't actively care or not care . .at this point she is not engaged . .but she was witness to the ritual . .and partly on behalf of manwe. she remembers all ^^
AelKennyr Rhiano nods
Fifi Wickentower: the wind is neutral. sorta
AelKennyr Rhiano: Fifi did not describe Linfea in broad, abstract, or vague terms. Note how she speaks of Linfea. definite characteristics. Definite personality traits. A personal history. Motivations.
Fifi Wickentower: oh yes . . .she is multi-dmensional and had great depth in her realm. i sense that the only way, in the end , for the darkness to be repelled is to have another great song
AelKennyr Rhiano: Compare what we have heard from her about Linfea to someone who always plays their character the same way, day in, day out...who really has more of a one dimensional rp character.. We hear opinions, thoughts...beliefs.
Fifi Wickentower: and she would happily participate in that for she spends a great deal of time singing the praises of illuvatr
AelKennyr Rhiano: Well, then...she is not aloof. :P
Fifi Wickentower: not to the creator . . she just has no personal friendships with the children
Lihan Taifun: I was really impressed that she picked up on the "Nasie"
Shawn Daysleeper smiles
AelKennyr Rhiano: To me, that spoke volumes
Fifi Wickentower: ty :)
AelKennyr Rhiano: More so because she has no personal stake in the Children, outside of remembering Olwe
Fifi Wickentower: yes . .that is so . .that is what i mean
AelKennyr Rhiano: Does this all make sense...what I am saying?
Fifi Wickentower: well , . . she knows of nole . .not by name but as one who . .maybe by his scent or the chord of his being . . is familiar to her from his traveling the seas
Shawn Daysleeper: yes it does
AelKennyr Rhiano: When you know your character THAT well, are THAT certain of what she will or won't do...you will always play her in character.
Lihan Taifun: yes, it makes sense
Fifi Wickentower: we are one :D
AelKennyr Rhiano: And when you are that comfortable with your character, your likelihood of metagaming or godmoddng does way down.
Fifi Wickentower: that is why , when phoenix created her he really 'got ' me . . it was a perfect fit
Lihan Taifun: Linfea goes shoe shopping?
Fifi Wickentower: linfea doesn't have a form so she takes on whatever form she wishes . . .she is curious and at times will take on the form of the current inhabitants so as to know a little more
AelKennyr Rhiano: Linfea is not callous...the Children are simply not a consideration for her unless they make themselves so. IF they interest her, she will be curious and engaged. Otherwise...shoe shopping ...winks at Fifi.
Shawn Daysleeper: hehe
AelKennyr Rhiano: lol the point is ...Fifi "gets" Linfea.
Fifi Wickentower: correct . .she is not callous . .she doesn't care because she is 'uncaring' she just has no reason to be engaged . . they all come and go and look alike to her . . .she is all over the plac too and sees realms with dragons and fae and the merfolk and beings that are unknown to the children
Fifi Wickentower: i have a prob with the new shoes . .:P it breaks the ankle when i sit and the maker will hear from me
AelKennyr Rhiano: Lihan said both she and Nienna are starting to get humor.... ?
Fifi Wickentower: linfea thinks the children are all funny, and she also thinks the valar are stuffy
AelKennyr Rhiano: lol
Fifi Wickentower: :D
AelKennyr Rhiano: Except Ulmo...he's all wet! hahaha
Fifi Wickentower: she is all too familiar with the councils of her brothers and sisters
AelKennyr Rhiano: Shawn, what about Irmo? Has he changed? Has the ritual changed him or our perception of him?
Shawn Daysleeper: yes, he is learning about how to be like the children
Fifi Wickentower: yes!!!! he is and he is grumpy and osse is grumpy and she is playful and more child-like
AelKennyr Rhiano: There is that, we must consider.. Hey, if you had to deal with Osse, you would be grumpy too!
Fifi Wickentower: and they all look old
Shawn Daysleeper: lol
Fifi Wickentower: i know that age is meant to confer wisdom, but sheesh . . .who ever heard of an old angel
AelKennyr Rhiano: But you know, fifi..Irmo does not look old
Fifi Wickentower: ancient yes
AelKennyr Rhiano: nor does Nienna, or Ulmo
Fifi Wickentower: no he doesn't
AelKennyr Rhiano: or Mandos
Fifi Wickentower: okay . . stand corrected :)
Shawn Daysleeper: lol
Fifi Wickentower: they just act old, fuddy duddy
AelKennyr Rhiano: no, I mean, I just realized that.
Fifi Wickentower: hahahaha
AelKennyr Rhiano: Past people in those roles did make them look old. Why didn't we?
Fifi Wickentower: yep
Shawn Daysleeper: really?
Fifi Wickentower: because we get it?
AelKennyr Rhiano: I think we do. yes, really Shawn
Shawn Daysleeper: ya I definately make Irmo look younger
Fifi Wickentower: aging only happening to mortals . . .and anyway . . . when interacting with non eternals . . they always equate age with knowdge
Shawn Daysleeper: Irmo can take whatever form he wants
Fifi Wickentower: any of the ainur can . .we have no form
AelKennyr Rhiano: There is no right or wrong answer...
Shawn Daysleeper: I just see him as younger I guess
AelKennyr Rhiano: this was meant to be a discussion.
Shawn Daysleeper: oh ok whew
AelKennyr Rhiano: hahaha
Lihan Taifun: I always thought of Irmo as young-looking
AelKennyr Rhiano: I like that he is.
Shawn Daysleeper blushes
Lihan Taifun: oh yes, that is a good look for Manwe
AelKennyr Rhiano: That was more Manwe to me.
Shawn Daysleeper: yes I liked his look :)
AelKennyr Rhiano: and I love how Nienna looks.
Fifi Wickentower: the stern thing tho . . a little over done. nienna is always lovely
Shawn Daysleeper: yes
AelKennyr Rhiano: yeah, I do agree, Fifi
Lihan Taifun: I dress Nienna a lot less bleak than Tolkien does
AelKennyr Rhiano: And Linfea looks like a wind...and acts it too
Fifi Wickentower: the ainur are about love and creation :)
Lihan Taifun: Linfea really acts like a wind :)
AelKennyr Rhiano: Well, after 4 Ages...it is time for a new look! hahaha
Fifi Wickentower: lol! i am linfea and she is me , or I, whatevas, and often off in her own dream
Shawn Daysleeper: be careful there is a teacher here
AelKennyr Rhiano: Know what is cool? hahaha
Fifi Wickentower: huh? what where?? looks around in alarm
AelKennyr Rhiano: What is cool is that our best rpers show up here weekly. They are the ones people follow. I have had people tell me they are keeping a folder of your rps.
Lihan Taifun: wow
Shawn Daysleeper smiles. awesome :)
Fifi Wickentower: and then the blog!! i may be able to let them go from sl inventory
AelKennyr Rhiano: Nienna and Irmo are quite popular. Some want to see more of Linfea. they are stars along with olwe
Fifi Wickentower: oh?
Lihan Taifun: with SL acting the way it is, I'm glad there is a backup of our archives
AelKennyr Rhiano: Others "fuss " because Tilion still has not made an effort to see Olwe >.<
Shawn Daysleeper: yay :)
Fifi Wickentower: she will have her moment i am sure . .this last part with the ritual i never felt that it was for her . . .
AelKennyr Rhiano: And poor Nimros!
Fifi Wickentower: poor poor nimros, or will he be turned?
AelKennyr Rhiano blushes...there are a few ladies who ...are very upset with his situation.
Lihan Taifun covers her eyes. "Poor Nimros!"
AelKennyr Rhiano: HE may be turned.
Fifi Wickentower: oh? . . they are concerned that he might be too 'enticed'? by the creepy gwen?
AelKennyr Rhiano: A couple want to...erm...rescue him.
Shawn Daysleeper: ya poor Nimros
Lihan Taifun: he doesn' t have any defenses
AelKennyr Rhiano: rght
Fifi Wickentower: does he want to be rescued?
Lihan Taifun: he wouldn't know any better
AelKennyr Rhiano: he does not
Lihan Taifun: rescued? he doesn't know he is in trouble!
AelKennyr Rhiano: Well, I know that, you know tht... I am not sure "rescue" is the proper word...:PPP
Fifi Wickentower: well . . then . . he might succumb to the charms of the dark elf
Shawn Daysleeper: oh no!
Fifi Wickentower: and once she has his 'essence' then look out
AelKennyr Rhiano: yes, we know well how it goes when an elf is corrupted.
Fifi Wickentower: and look what happened to poor olwe! and olwe is far closer to the ainur and the Undying Lands than young Nimros
AelKennyr Rhiano: nod nod nod
AelKennyr Rhiano: What shall we talk about next time?
Shawn Daysleeper: this was a good discussion
AelKennyr Rhiano: Yes, it was...thank you
Fifi Wickentower: I am so happy to be a small part of this !
Lihan Taifun: yes, good discussion
AelKennyr Rhiano: Thank you for letting me pick on Linfea
Fifi Wickentower: you picked on her/me?
Shawn Daysleeper: yes, I am happy to be part of this too
Fifi Wickentower: missed tha part
AelKennyr Rhiano: heh heh I used her for the discussion
Fifi Wickentower: i'll huff and pff and Blow your house down !
AelKennyr Rhiano: hahah EEEEK
Shawn Daysleeper: hehe
AelKennyr Rhiano: Any suggestions for next week?
Fifi Wickentower: remeber too . . that as mild and capricious as she appears to be . . there is power untold within her. get on her bad side and well . . just don't :D
Lihan Taifun: I don't even know what kinds of topics exist
Shawn Daysleeper: hmmm thinking, we could continue this topic
AelKennyr Rhiano: Whatever you would like to explore...
Fifi Wickentower: pick on linfea topic? works for me!
AelKennyr Rhiano: Well, since you are all playing Ainur, and I do, too, and others pick very "strong" rp characters.. Let's talk about being "tough enough."
Shawn Daysleeper: that is a good idea
Fifi Wickentower: okay . . nt surewhat that looks like so a good one
AelKennyr Rhiano: WE will find out together :)
Lihan Taifun: someday we need to learn how to do -- if not battles -- then conflicts, use of force
Fifi Wickentower: smiles happily
AelKennyr Rhiano: yes, Let's start looking at that topic.
Lihan Taifun: how much house-blowing-down can Linfea do?
Fifi Wickentower: i can make a typhoon! or hurricane, or tornado
Shawn Daysleeper: wow
Lihan Taifun: but if you made a hurricane in the middle of a RP ....
Fifi Wickentower: or capsize and becalm ships, only when called for . .not because of a personal hissy fit!
AelKennyr Rhiano: Just because you "can"...the question is "Should you?"
Shawn Daysleeper: Nole will have to watch out
Fifi Wickentower: then they would have to rp through it? of course . . just offering :) not threatening
AelKennyr Rhiano: heh heh no, no it was a good example
Fifi Wickentower: do it my way or i will blow you all down! but thinks of a few areas that might need a nice storm because i just don't like them
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